kris dreemurr and susie (undertale (series) and etc) created by jackofak
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Kris and Susie💛💜
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Full extended animation with Toriel is on my sites ^^

Link to X: https://x.com/jackofakr/status/1836447977860182410

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    SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, this mf janitor removed all of these deltarune animations i ed for being "young/child human in a sexual scenario" EXCEPT for this last one which they approved???

    And don't even dare someone try to pull out the excuse of kris being partially off-camera in this post in particular as a justification for this being approved and the others not which already were approved by mairo and an named spe anyway, Like since when does a janitor have the power to override the choice of another janitor AND a freaking .

    Yeah i don't even know what to say anymore, I'll only say that if anyone now wants to search for porn or nsfw content of series, shows or videogames like undertale/deltarune, pokemon and many other animated shows which include small or teenager humans in them e621 is no longer a recommended archive site.

    Welp this has officialy killed my interest in searching or uplading anything nsfw related to undertale/deltarune on this goddamn website -_-

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  • Arquila8000 said:
    I'll only say that if anyone now wants to search for porn or nsfw content of series, shows or videogames like undertale/deltarune, pokemon and many other animated shows which include small or teenager humans in them e621 is no longer a recommended archive site.

    Welp this has officialy killed my interest in searching or uplading anything nsfw related to undertale/deltarune on this goddamn website -_-

    Supposed "art archive" deleting art xD

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  • Jackofak Comment by an artist on this post

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    arquila8000 said:
    SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, this mf janitor removed all of these deltarune animations i ed for being "young/child human in a sexual scenario" EXCEPT for this last one which they approved???

    And don't even dare someone try to pull out the excuse of kris being partially off-camera in this post in particular as a justification for this being approved and the others not which already were approved by mairo and an named spe anyway, Like since when does a janitor have the power to override the choice of another janitor AND a freaking .

    Yeah i don't even know what to say anymore, I'll only say that if anyone now wants to search for porn or nsfw content of series, shows or videogames like undertale/deltarune, pokemon and many other animated shows which include small or teenager humans in them e621 is no longer a recommended archive site.

    Welp this has officialy killed my interest in searching or uplading anything nsfw related to undertale/deltarune on this goddamn website -_-

    Yeah man I feel ya, thanx for the s btw.
    Posting here becomes more and more like a walk on the eggshells or a lottery. Like idk HOW should I age-up Kris to make it ? Make him bara? I never was into loli-shota stuff in a first place, but now new rules basically make a whimsy looking male (or by the extend a gal with flat chest) a "no-go". And judging by the 4.2K Kris(or 4K Frisk) involved posts I can tell that decision is purely arbitral, like then my animated series with Sunspot was wiped out because Sunspot is a hoooman... somehow.
    Idk man, I'm tired. And it really saddens me that e621 become more and more like inkbunny, because e621 has probably the best search/tags tools on the market. Such a great platform drowning in a arbitral content policies.

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  • Mairo

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    arquila8000 said:
    SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, this mf janitor removed all of these deltarune animations i ed for being "young/child human in a sexual scenario" EXCEPT for this last one which they approved???

    And don't even dare someone try to pull out the excuse of kris being partially off-camera in this post in particular as a justification for this being approved and the others not which already were approved by mairo and an named spe anyway, Like since when does a janitor have the power to override the choice of another janitor AND a freaking .

    Yeah i don't even know what to say anymore, I'll only say that if anyone now wants to search for porn or nsfw content of series, shows or videogames like undertale/deltarune, pokemon and many other animated shows which include small or teenager humans in them e621 is no longer a recommended archive site.

    Welp this has officialy killed my interest in searching or uplading anything nsfw related to undertale/deltarune on this goddamn website -_-

    mirccat said:
    Supposed "art archive" deleting art xD

    jackofak said:
    Yeah man I feel ya, thanx for the s btw.
    Posting here becomes more and more like a walk on the eggshells or a lottery. Like idk HOW should I age-up Kris to make it ? Make him bara? I never was into loli-shota stuff in a first place, but now new rules basically make a whimsy looking male (or by the extend a gal with flat chest) a "no-go". And judging by the 4.2K Kris(or 4K Frisk) involved posts I can tell that decision is purely arbitral, like then my animated series with Sunspot was wiped out because Sunspot is a hoooman... somehow.
    Idk man, I'm tired. And it really saddens me that e621 become more and more like inkbunny, because e621 has probably the best search/tags tools on the market. Such a great platform drowning in a arbitral content policies.

    I don't deal with tagging related matters, so if some other janitor or deems human underaged, then it's gotta go under current rules.
    But considering the characters are physically size of couple pillows on the bed and head to body proportions especially on post #5112752, they do look pretty young.
    Also there are literally over 5 million posts on this site, if something was misshandled, flag the post or provide IDs to email so it can be looked into, rather than angrily commenting on individual post where no staff member is going to look because I'm absolutely certain s have better things to do than look at every single comment posted. Only reason I looked is because my name was pinged, only reason why s look at comments is when comment is reported for violating rules.

    Also funny thing is that with furries, even portraying literal infant being raped is legal basically everywhere, but with humans, most countries and states have laws prohibiting production, posession and distribution of pornographic child content, even if fully fictional and child is defined by being human that's not adult and furries aren't humans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography
    So I do wonder if there's reason for websites like Inkbunny disallowing this and sites like e621 introducing rules prohibiting this as well. It's almost like the sites would need to shut down under goverment pressure or stupid shit like that.

    For a perfect archive, site would need to operate outside laws, meaning some server in middle of nowhere and operated only through tor or some privacy related things like that, which I would imagine someone at this point has made into reality and that would additionally mean giving middle finger to artists for not needing to comply with any takedowns.

    When it comes to undertale/deltarune stuff, people are already cancelling others on 𝕏 for drawing even the furry characters because by lore they are literal kids, even when aged up.
    Sunspot if that's the fortnite character, all the posts with the character look like they are human to me personally and would be deleted as human only under current ing guidelines which doesn't take skin color into of determining human.

    Best approach is to think of e621 as furry website, rather than rule34 website.
    There's a lot of people who come here for porn exclusively so I delete stuff like pokemon trainers really often because someone thought that porn from pokemon is fine, but didn't think that this isn't a pornsite so even before rule change, those got deleted and people got angry that their clearly obviously pornographic pokemon content got deleted for no apparent reason.

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  • jackofak said:
    Yeah man I feel ya, thanx for the s btw.
    Posting here becomes more and more like a walk on the eggshells or a lottery. Like idk HOW should I age-up Kris to make it ? Make him bara? I never was into loli-shota stuff in a first place, but now new rules basically make a whimsy looking male (or by the extend a gal with flat chest) a "no-go". And judging by the 4.2K Kris(or 4K Frisk) involved posts I can tell that decision is purely arbitral, like then my animated series with Sunspot was wiped out because Sunspot is a hoooman... somehow.
    Idk man, I'm tired. And it really saddens me that e621 become more and more like inkbunny, because e621 has probably the best search/tags tools on the market. Such a great platform drowning in a arbitral content policies.

    That is so true and it's not just about the age of the characters, this is supposed to be a furry website but the mods will look at a picture of what is very clearly an anthro and just decide that it's not and delete it. There is no rhyme or reason behind.

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  • Jackofak Comment by an artist on this post

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    mairo said:
    I don't deal with tagging related matters, so if some other janitor or deems human underaged, then it's gotta go under current rules.
    But considering the characters are physically size of couple pillows on the bed and head to body proportions especially on post #5112752, they do look pretty young.
    Also there are literally over 5 million posts on this site, if something was misshandled, flag the post or provide IDs to email so it can be looked into, rather than angrily commenting on individual post where no staff member is going to look because I'm absolutely certain s have better things to do than look at every single comment posted. Only reason I looked is because my name was pinged, only reason why s look at comments is when comment is reported for violating rules.

    Also funny thing is that with furries, even portraying literal infant being raped is legal basically everywhere, but with humans, most countries and states have laws prohibiting production, posession and distribution of pornographic child content, even if fully fictional and child is defined by being human that's not adult and furries aren't humans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography
    So I do wonder if there's reason for websites like Inkbunny disallowing this and sites like e621 introducing rules prohibiting this as well. It's almost like the sites would need to shut down under goverment pressure or stupid shit like that.

    For a perfect archive, site would need to operate outside laws, meaning some server in middle of nowhere and operated only through tor or some privacy related things like that, which I would imagine someone at this point has made into reality and that would additionally mean giving middle finger to artists for not needing to comply with any takedowns.

    When it comes to undertale/deltarune stuff, people are already cancelling others on 𝕏 for drawing even the furry characters because by lore they are literal kids, even when aged up.
    Sunspot if that's the fortnite character, all the posts with the character look like they are human to me personally and would be deleted as human only under current ing guidelines which doesn't take skin color into of determining human.

    Best approach is to think of e621 as furry website, rather than rule34 website.
    There's a lot of people who come here for porn exclusively so I delete stuff like pokemon trainers really often because someone thought that porn from pokemon is fine, but didn't think that this isn't a pornsite so even before rule change, those got deleted and people got angry that their clearly obviously pornographic pokemon content got deleted for no apparent reason.

    I never had a problem with e621 being furry-focused and pure human art being outed, so that's out of question.

    I send messages both to you and NotMeNotYou(twice) without proper response.
    I'm not going to point my finger, there's simpler solution. Every post is tagged with franchises and names. So any franchise with canonically underage(or just human focused) main should be under fire. But that's not what I see. Sure there's no Dora, but plenty of Kris, Frisk or Steven Universe, that means rules applies "sometimes", i.e. de-facto rules does not exist.

    "...visible, anatomical deviations from the standard human...
    Examples are the presence of animal body parts (dog ears, cat tail, pig snout, horse penis, etc.), alien body parts, plant body parts, etc.
    This means that orcs, elves, plant-people, humanoid aliens, are all fine." - is ignored and only skin color is applied? Weird.

    So bulb for a head, no nose and giant spikes doesn't make him non-human in your views, which is exactly my point - arbitral decision making. For you he's a human, for plenty of other staff he's not. In the end platform is filled with content you and somebody else thinks is violating rules but it stays regardless, simply because it wasn't you who push the button. Same goes to the comparison of characters to the pillows or head/body ratio. I don't think skull measuring contest is sufficient. Like Muscleman from Regular Show is a kid now? Arbitrariness argument stays and there's no way to refute it.

    I'm totally agree that a perfect archive requires extraordinary solutions, though I disagree with middle finger point but that's for another day.

    𝕏 is irrelevant to the situation, not to mention the abundance of popular s who make stuff that would be recognized as "underaged human(or furry)" here or basically by any sane person.

    Personally, all this commotion is frustrating mainly because of disingenuety.
    All this policies making and content wiping is just imitation of action. Let's put it bluntly:
    Prohibited content hosting = deplatforming/unbearable losses for e621, right?
    "Prohibited content" stays, nothing changes. It means it's theatric. Either delete 99+% of prohibited content or it's all meaningless.

    My closing point is very simple: to change 1.4 rule to "every staff decision is rightful by default, has a rule-making power and final, objections are not accepted", and more importantly highlight that rule in the guidelines. I'm not joking or insulting. That meaning is already coded in the ToS text, but nobody read it to the T. That will simplify the authors/ers relations with istration to a huge degree and unload a big burden from staffs shoulders.

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  • This topic had been argued up and down about 27 thousand times by now.
    We are not rehashing this whole thing again, in the comment section of some random post.

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  • idk why yall are surprised, e6 staff is known to be orwellian in how they enforce this sites rules

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  • karmanic said:
    idk why yall are surprised, e6 staff is known to be orwellian in how they enforce this sites rules

    The weird thing is that for some reason the person who removed these animations decided to spare this last one, It really confuses me.

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